Turbo Selection Easy Cuts

The list of candidates from the last round includes a couple of options that are fairly easy to eliminate from the list just because they are on the edge of what I’m looking to install right now.

  • Borg-Warner K03
  • Borg-Warner K04
  • Project B5: RS4-X
  • FrankenTurbo F4H-BT
  • FrankenTurbo F21
  • Borg-Warner RS6-K04
  • Project B5: RS6-X
  • JHM RS6-R
  • LOBA Motorsport LO530P
  • Silly Rabbit Motorsport RS6 K24
  • TiAL Sport s605.2
  • Garrett GT28RS
  • TiAL R770
  • Single Turbo Kit

The Garrett GT28RS is to my understanding more ‘work’ to get installed than what I want to undertake, I’m interested in a bolt-on solution.

The TiAL 605.2 is closely related to the TiAL R770, aside from being a journal bearing it is essentially functionally the same, at least for my intended use, and is more turbocharger than what I am looking to install right now.

The SRM RS6 K24 is also a bit bigger than what I am interested in.  It’s a turbocharger that would best be paired with an upgraded motor, one that has aftermarket rods installed, an undertaking that I’m not planning on starting at this stage.

The LOBA LO530P is similar to the RS6 hybrids with an eye-popping price tag just over $4,000 USD, the price premium is too high for me to consider spending for what I expect this turbo to be capable of.

The FrankenTurbo F4H-BT is no longer available from FrankenTurbo but occasionally a used set comes up for sale.  The product is essentially a lower cost alternative to the Borg-Warner K04 with slightly better top end and no discernible drop in spool up rate.  While I enjoyed operating with the F4H-BT it is time to move on to something different.

The Project B5 RS4-X is spec’d like the FrankenTurbo F21 but slightly less expensive.  It’s unclear what the warranty policy is for the product, but the fact that the FT21 has been more widely used is comforting when trying to assess product reliability.  Given the similar cost and size spec’s I consider it a toss up between these two and with my prior positive experience with FrankenTurbo I give the edge to the F21.

The revised list is now:

  • Borg-Warner K03
  • Borg-Warner K04
  • Project B5: RS4-X
  • FrankenTurbo F4H-BT
  • FrankenTurbo F21
  • Borg-Warner RS6-K04
  • Project B5: RS6-X
  • JHM RS6-R
  • LOBA Motorsport LO530P
  • Silly Rabbit Motorsport RS6 K24
  • TiAL Sport s605.2
  • Garrett GT28RS
  • TiAL Sport R770
  • Single Turbo Kit

Next: Turbo Selection Path Consideration

Turbo Size Decision

Having decided that a twin turbocharger setup would be the path that I followed the next question I began to consider was the size of turbocharger to install.

At one end of the spectrum were the Borg Warner K03 turbochargers that were already installed on the car.  The K03’s had a couple of things going for them, install would be a breeze, requiring absolutely zero work and the costs would be the lowest of any option.  Doing something along the lines of a Stage 2+ setup or even a Stage 2+/E85 tune would be straight forward.  I already have on hand 72# Bosch EV14 fuel injectors, an EPL 85mm MAF housing (likely unnecessary), and an installed RS4 fuel pump.  Supporting the K03’s with a bunch of go-fast bits that were sufficient for substantially larger turbochargers might be a fun investigation.  While I might try this, ultimately I’ll be putting something else on the car – K03’s are out.

The opposite end of the spectrum is occupied by the TiAL R770 turbochargers.

TiAL R770 Turbochargers
TiAL R770 Turbochargers

I’ve decided that there’s no point in looking for anything larger than the TiAL R770’s and anything remotely close to this size is probably a distant second given how much attention was paid to matching this turbocharger pair with the 2.7T motor.

In the R770’s favor was the fact that the most horsepower I was going to derive from my car would be via this pair of turbochargers.  Even if I chose to operate at less than what these turbochargers were capable of the experience of driving with them would likely be positive.

One downside to acquiring the R770’s at this stage would be the need to obtain a new set of downpipes with the split design for the wastegate as shown in this image on the 034 Motorsports website.

034 Motorsports TiAL 770 downpipes
034 Motorsports TiAL 770 downpipes

 

Another reason to consider passing on the R770’s was the cost, about double that of some of the turbochargers I was considering.  I decided I’ll hold off on the R770’s for a later date.

The middle ground was congested with several options:

  • Borg-Warner K03
  • Borg-Warner K04
  • Project B5: RS4-X
  • FrankenTurbo F4H-BT
  • FrankenTurbo F21
  • Borg-Warner RS6-K04
  • Project B5: RS6-X
  • JHM RS6-R
  • LOBA Motorsport LO530P
  • Silly Rabbit Motorsport RS6 K24
  • TiAL Sport s605.2
  • Garrett GT28RS
  • TiAL R770
  • Single Turbo Kit

Whew! Choosing from amongst all of those options was going to take some thought.

Next: Turbo Selection Easy Cuts

 

Turbocharger Selection

Presently I am in the process of collecting baseline performance data on the twin Borg-Warner K03 turbochargers that were equipped on the B5 S4 as delivered from Audi.  Once I have completed this process I’ll be removing the K03’s to install a different turbocharger.  The upcoming posts in this blog category will touch on some of the considerations and decisions I made during this process.

Silicone reducer hose
Borg-Warner K03 Turbocharger with TiAL 2.25″ Inlet Piping

There are quite a few turbocharger options now available for the 2.7T twin turbocharged engine found in the Audi B5 S4.  Twin turbochargers aren’t even a requirement anymore as single turbocharger setups are becoming more common.  From the get go I’ve decided to stick with the twin turbocharger set, the main reasons being familiarity and ability to continue to use components that I have already acquired.

One process I have followed during upgrading has been to make incremental changes to the car, building on what already exists and only replacing parts when a weak link has been identified.  By following this process I am able to keep an eye out for opportunities to obtain upgraded parts at a discounted price, either through sales or used part classified ads.  One downside to this method is that if I decided to drastically change the car’s setup, for instance swapping from the dual turbochargers to a single turbocharger setup, there may be parts already acquired that would be overcome by events (OBE) and no longer of use.

In terms of cost and performance and single versus dual I have not felt there is a significant benefit one way or the other and with total cost a consideration, meaning I am not going to go crazy building a motor capable of setting world records for the 2.7T platform, the currently available dual turbocharger options meet my requirements.

Decision One: Twin Turbocharger configuration

Next: Turbo Size Decision