Audi RS3 Predictions

The new Audi RS3 is a car I’ve followed due to the similar size with the Audi B5 S4.  Showing up with 400 HP is something that makes the RS3 even more appealing.  Of course there are many other changes that the RS3 will bring with it, but on the flip side the B5 S4 has a lot going for it, beginning with being a better looking car.

2018 Audi RS3

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Not that the RS3 is ugly, it simply lacks the classic look that the B5 S4 has.

Brilliant Black Audi B5 S4 Avant

Since I’ve been thinking about the RS3 I naturally started to ponder what the power potential of the car would be.  With the Audi TT-RS having a similar 5 cylinder 2.5L engine I figured that would be a good substitute for the new RS3 engine.  To get an idea of what the aftermarket might do to up the ante on this engine I checked out the APR 2.5 TFSI Stage III GTX Turbocharger System.

APR’s figures seem to be determined with their Dynapack dyno.  My experience having my car dyno’d on a Dynapack, (APR’s no-less), showed that the readings were slightly greater than a Mustang dyno, making them a little more than what I’ve recorded on the street.  This is a reasonable outcome as the Dynapack eliminates the wheel to roller losses of a drum type dyno.

APR’s dyno reported CHP values are lower than the RS3’s advertised 400 HP, thus I’m now wondering how good of a substitute this engine will be, but until the RS3 is released the TT-RS will have to do.

Taking the APR Stage 3 kit wheel torque values and plotting them versus some B5 S4 dyno results obtained with BorgWarner RS6 turbo’s, and a single pull from an S4 with TTE780 turbo’s, the results are remarkably similar, with some minor, but potentially significant differences.

BW RS6 vs TTE780 vs APR TT-RS Stage 3

BW RS6 vs TTE780 vs APR TT-RS Stage 3

The TT-RS produces torque slightly faster than the BW RS6’s on an 2.7T engine, but about the same as the S4 equipped with TTE780’s.  I would have expected the BW RS6 to generate torque faster than the TTE780 and I attribute this unexpected outcome to the RS6 curve being the composite average of 6 different car dyno’s.  There is likely individual B5 S4’s with BW RS6 turbo’s that do generate torque faster than the TTE780 equipped S4, and therefore also the TT-RS.

At the top end the TT-RS has slightly more TQ/HP than the BW RS6 equipped S4.  Again, the TTE780 is shown outperforming the aggregated RS6 data, and this time the TT-RS as well.  Given the larger size of the TTE780 compared to the BW RS6 turbo this result is not surprising.

Overall, while this is merely an academic exercise in predicting how the B5 S4 with RS6 turbo’s would compare to the not yet available RS3, I’m pleasantly surprised to see how well the old B5 S4 2.7T may compare to the latest release from Audi.